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MINUTES OF PROCEEDING
Meeting No. 1

TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 1997

The Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament met at 11:04 o’clock a.m, this day for the purpose of organisation, in room 705, La Promenade Building, to elect Joint Chairs , pursuant to Rule 88 of the Senate and Standing Order 106(1) to of the House of .Commons.


Members of the Committee present:

 

Representing the Senate: Roch Bolduc, Eymard G. Corbin, Philippe D. Gigantès and Louis J. Robichaud.

 

Representing the House of Commons: Marlene Catterall, Hec Cloutier, John Finlay, Deborah Grey, Howard Hilstrom, Jim Karygiannis, Raymond Lavigne, Philip W. Mayfield, Louis Plamondon, Karen Redman and Jacques Saada.

Acting Members present: Yvon Grose for Gurbax Malhi and Benoit Serré for Brent St.Denis.

In attendance: Catherine Piccinin, Joint Clerk of the Committee.


The Joint Clerk (Senate) presided over the election of the Joint Chair (Senate).

Sen. Eymard Corbin moved, - That Senator Philippe Gigantès be elected Joint Chair of the Committee (Senate).

 

And the question being put on the motion, it was agreed to.

 

The Joint Clerk declared that Senator Philippe Gigantès was duly elected Joint Chair of the Committee (Senate).

 

The Joint Clerk (House of Commons) presided over the election of the Joint Chair (House of Commons)

 

Marlene Catterall moved, - That Gurbax Malhi be elected Joint Chair of the Committee (House of Commons).

 

After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was agreed to on the following division:

 

YEAS

 

Sen. Roch Bolduc John Finlay

Sen. Eymard Corbin Raymond Lavigne

Sen. Louis Robichaud Yvon Grose

Marlene Catterall Louis Plamondon

Hec Cloutier Karen Redman

Benoit Serré

 

NAYS

 

Deborah Grey

Philip Mayfield

 

 

 

The Joint Clerk declared that Gurbax Malhi was duly elected Joint Chair of the Committee (House of Commons).

 

Deborah Grey, moved, - That Philip Mayfield be elected Vice-Chair of the Committee.

 

And the question being put on the motion, it was agreed to.

 

Jim Karygiannis moved, - That a Vice-Chair (Senate) be elected.

 

After debate, the question being put on the motion, it was defeated.

 

Louis Plamondon, moved, - That the Sub-Committee on Agenda and Procedure be composed of six (6) members including the Co-Chairs, the Vice-Chair, and a representative of the Bloc Québécois, the Progressive Conservative Party and the New Democratic Party.

 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the motion, it was by a show of hands agreed to on the following division. YEAS:7

NAYS:1

 

It was agreed, - That the members of the Sub-Committee on Agenda and Procedure be appointed after the usual consultations with the whips of the different parties.

 

Marlene Catterall moved, - That the quorum be fixed at four (4) members provided that both Houses are represented whenever a vote, resolution or other decision is taken and that the Joint Chairs be authorize to hold meetings to receive evidence and authorize printing thereof so long as three (3) members are present, provided that both Houses are represented.

 

And After debate arising thereon,

 

Deborah Grey, moved, - That the motion be amended as follows, - That the quorum be fixed at seven (7) members provided that both Houses are represented whenever a vote, resolution or other decision is taken and that the Joint Chairs be authorized to hold meetings to receive evidence and authorize printing thereof so long as four (4) members are present, provided that both Houses are represented.

 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the amendment, it was, agreed to.

 

And the question being put on the main motion, as amended, it was agreed to.

 

Marlene Catterall, moved, - That during the questioning of witnesses, there be allocated 10 minutes for the first questioner (of each party) and that thereafter 5 minutes be allocated to each subsequent questioner.

 

After debate arising thereon,

 

Louis Plamondon, moved, - That the motion be amended as follows, - That for a trial period, during the questioning of witnesses, 7 minutes be allocated for the first round to the Reform Party, the Bloc Québécois, the Liberal Party and 5 minutes to the Progressive Conservative Party, the New Democratic Party and the Liberal Party.

 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the amendment it was by a show of hands agreed to on the following division: YEAS:8

NAYS:1

 

And the question being put on the main motion, as amended, it was agreed to.

 

Yvon Grose, moved, - That at the discretion of the Joint Chairs, reasonable travelling expenses, as per the regulations established by the Board of Internal Economy and the Standing Committee on Internal Economy Budget & Administration, be paid to witnesses invited to appear before the Committee, and that payment of these expenses be limited to two (2) representatives per organization.

 

The question being put on the motion, it was agreed to.

 

Marlene Catterall moved, - That unless there is unanimous consent a 48 hour notice must be given to members before any new question is submitted to the consideration of the Committee.

 

Philip Mayfield moved, - That the motion be amended by adding "excluding procedural questions".

 

After debate thereon, the question being put on the amendment, it was defeated.

 

The question being put on the main motion, it was by a show of hands agreed to on the following division: YEAS:7

NAYS:2

 

It was agreed, - That the name of Philip Mayfield be recorded in opposition to the above motion.

 

It was agreed, - That either Joint Chairs or, in accordance with the direction of the Joint Chairs, either Joint Clerks, be authorized to approve payment of expenditures of the Committee.

 

It was agreed, - That the Committee print 360 copies of its Proceedings and that the Joint Chairs be authorized to adjust this number to meet demand.

 

It was agreed, - That the Joint Chair (Senate) be authorized to obtain Senate permission to sit during Senate sittings.

 

It was agreed, - That the Committee adopt its first report and that the Joint Chairs be authorized to table some in their respective Chamber.

 

Philip Mayfield moved, - That the Committee study the main estimates of the Library of Parliament.

 

The question being put on the motion, it was agreed to.

 


At 11:46 o’clock a.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.

 
 
 




Danielle Belisle



Co-Clerk of the Committee