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Proceedings of the Standing Joint Committee for the
Scrutiny of Regulations
Issue 1 - Minutes of Proceedings - October 21, 2004
OTTAWA, Thursday, October 21, 2004
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[Translation]
The Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations met this day at 9:07 a.m. in room 256-S of the Centre Block for an organizational meeting, pursuant to rule 88 of the Senate and Standing Order 106(1) of the House of Commons.
Members of the committee present:
Representing the Senate: The Honourable Senators Baker, P.C., Bryden, Moore and Nolin (4).
Representing the House of Commons: Rob Anders, Robert Bouchard, Gary Carr (for Gurbax Malhi), Gurmant Grewal, Monique Guay, Randy Kamp, Paul Harold Macklin, PC, Lynn Myers, Tom Wappel; and Randy White (for Art Hanger) (10).
Also present: Jean-François Lafleur, Joint Clerk of the Committee (House of Commons); from the Parliamentary Research Branch of the Library of Parliament: François-R. Bernier, General Counsel, Peter Berhardt and Jacques Rousseau, Counsel.
In attendance: The official reporters of the Senate.
The committee held an organizational meeting, pursuant to rule 88 of the Senate and Standing Order 106(1) of the House of Commons.
The Joint Clerk of the Committee for the Senate presided over the election of one of the Joint Chairs.
The Honourable Senator Moore moved:
That the Honourable Senator Bryden be elected Joint Chair of the Committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
The Joint Clerk of the Committee for the House of Commons presided over the election of one of the Joint Chairs.
Mr. Anders moved:
That Gurmant Grewal be elected Joint Chair of the Committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
The Joint Chairs were invited to take the Chair of the Committee.
Mr. Carr moved:
That Lynn Myers be elected Vice-Chair of the Committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
Mr. Bouchard moved:
That Monique Guay be elected Vice-Chair of the Committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
The Honourable Senator Nolin moved:
That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be composed of the Joint Chairs, the Vice-Chairs, one member from the other party in the Senate and one member from the other opposition party in the House of Commons; and
That the subcommittee report its decisions to the committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
Mr. Myers moved:
That the committee print its proceedings; and
That the Joint Chairs be authorized to set the number to meet demand.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
The Honourable Senator Nolin moved:
That the committee's General Counsel review the unrevised transcripts of the proceedings of the committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
The Honourable Senator Myers moved:
That the committee concur in the First Report and that the Joint Chairs so report to their respective House.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
The Honourable Senator Nolin moved:
That either Joint Chairs or, in accordance with the direction of the Joint Chairs, either Joint Clerk be authorized to approve payment of expenditures of the committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
Mr. Anders moved:
That at the discretion of the Joint Chairs, the committee may reimburse reasonable traveling and living expenses for one witness from any one organization, and payment will take place upon application, but that the Joint Chairs be authorized to approve expenses for a second witness should there be exceptional circumstances.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
Mr. Anders moved:
That the Joint Chairs be authorized to seek necessary permissions to permit coverage by electronic media of the committee's public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings; and
That the Subcommittee on Agenda and Procedure be empowered to allow such coverage at its discretion.
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
It was agreed that the committee adopt the following provisional schedule for its meetings: at 8:30 a.m. on November 4 and 18, and on December 2 and 16, 2004.
Mr. Myers moved:
That the committee adopt the following budget:
PROFESSIONAL AND OTHER SERVICES
| TOTAL | Senate | House of Commons | |
| 1. Working meals | $1,800 | $540 | $1,260 |
| 2. Hospitality | $1,000 | $300 | $700 |
| 3. Consultants | $5,000 | $1,500 | $3,500 |
| Sub-total | $7,800 | $2,340 | $5,460 |
TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNICATIONS
| TOTAL | Senate | House of Commons | |
| 1. Witness expenses | $3,000 | $900 | $2,100 |
| 2. Conferences | $2,500 | $750 | $1,750 |
| Sub-total | $5,500 | $1,650 | $3,850 |
MISCELLANEOUS
| TOTAL | Senate | House of Commons | |
| 1. Rental charges (Rental of photocopier) | $2,500 | $750 | $1,750 |
| 2. Printing | $1,500 | $450 | $1,050 |
| 5. Books and periodicals | $2,500 | $750 | $1,750 |
| 6. Miscellaneous | $1,000 | $300 | $700 |
| Sub-total | $7,500 | $2,250 | $5,250 |
| GRAND TOTAL | $20,800 | $6,240 | $14,560 |
The question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
Ms. Guay moved:
That the Joint Clerks of the Committee be authorized to distribute to the members of the Committee documents only when they exist in both official languages and that no document from a witness be distributed without the Committee's approval.
Following debate and the question being put on the motion, it was resolved in the affirmative.
At 9:29 a.m., the committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
ATTEST:
François Michaud
Joint Clerk of the Committee (Senate)